It's been three months, shh. So, that means it is time for a question meme for Luna/Eureka, Persephone, Dream, and Dorian Gray. Good end characters are okay, too. ♥
Hahaha . . . Mm, Akashi is very easy to talk to?? Eureka has to watch how she communicates with others and has a lot of trouble translating her thoughts for others to be able to process, but Akashi seems to follow her thread very easily while also coming back with his own insights that she can understand. Even without speaking, they are able to communicate a lot, like how Eureka didn't want to talk about the game and how Akashi didn't want to be hurt by others. So, that ease of communication is really vitally important to Eureka. She feels very secure around him.
Also, unlike almost everyone else in Aather, she takes a lot of solace in the fact that he isn't Amethyst. She really works hard to fit in with Amethyst and do her best with them, but she doesn't feel that pressure with Akashi. He isn't team, so she doesn't have to try as hard if she doesn't want to!! So, yeah, there's just a very strange flavor of comfort that she takes from him.
Hheeee really likes Eureka. Akashi is a little . . . bad at people in a lot of ways. He's very hands off and very logical and very blunt about some things and then very distant and obtuse in others. He wants friends and he loves friends and being with people. But he's bad at it. Well, not so much bad as there is a big distance/wall between him and other people.
Bbbbut with Eureka he doesn't feel that kind of immense pressure. He's less hesitant and less withdrawn with her because he doesn't feel the stress of having to make The Right Choice.
Beyond that Eureka isn't rowdy. She's quiet but not mute. She's smart but not in a way that makes him feel like he needs to challenge her. He has a really legitimate crush on her and -- he's fairly sure their expectations of what a date are . . . are different and he's a little unsure if he should go with his view or try to guess for hers but he would really like to do the best. . . have the best date with her basically.
Mmmm, Eureka is really devoted to Amethyst. At times, it's less a choice and more like an imperative part of her constitution, but she is starting to figure out who everyone is and what she likes about each of them as an individual. The group mentality is still really strong with her, like she keeps a very good tally of all previous Amethysts. She fawns over a memory tree of them that she has, and she recited the names of every previous Amethyst to Lyra to calm her down in Mira game . . . She's still sort of a hivemind baby, uwu.
On the flipside, as she gets more into her own, she gets highly resistant to some of the behaviors that she sees in Amethyst. She subverts them, pushes against them, if she can do so without rocking the boat too much. It's less aggression and more investment in wanting the best for people that are important to her in her own somewhat flawed and clumsy way. She is starting to learn what behaviors she wants to encourage in new kids, like remembering everyone else and knowing that someone was before you as a bad thing! I knew Amethyst would fit well for her, but it really is such a good team for Eureka, sssob . . .
I've seen Akashi doing the memory poking with canonmates. How does he feel about them in Aather? About himself?
He's okay with Aather, to be honest. It's not what he's used to but he has a team and a goal and he's determined.
Hhhhheeee is irritated that his canonmates won't tell him things though. And it's extra irritating because he remembered his second personality taking over before he gained back the skill so it was just a weird disjoint of WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON and everyone played footsie but no real outcome with talking about it.
Nnnoowww he's less irritated and more just :') Oh. :') thanks guys. Because . . . like. We haven't gotten any news on how the 2 Akashis interact or think about each other and I kind of doubt we ever will?? But in Aather the second Akashi doesn't give him the same kind of reassurance and comfort as it did back home bc the situation is different so it's just. . . exasperating. . .
He feels exasperated and annoyed at himself for not being strong enough for certain things or better at everything and not being THE BEST AND MOST ABSOLUTE and a little lost because of that but yeah. Akashi. What are you gonna do.
Right now, she isn't forward thinking that much? It would require her to think about leaving Aather when she isn't completely down with that idea, though she has gotten better with it. (Better meaning she doesn't throw a tantrum and go red in the face screaming anymore, and only quietly mopes in a very passive, Oh? I'll just leave ... Since no one wants me here ... Because they would say if they did, I guess ......... way.) Still, someone mentioned that she should have all her kids in Aather and then she would get to have all her important people which she was pretty down for. So, that may just be how she rolls.
Since I read all of Basuke, cry . . . Talk to me about this split thing. Multiple personalities, fragmentation? What's your take?
Hmm, she's still far below what she can do in canon and functions on what I would say is about elementary level morals? She understands what it is like to be hurt by others, so she shouldn't hurt others for that reason which is still slightly egotistical. If something doesn't hurt her, it doesn't necessarily mean that it won't hurt someone else. The opposite is also a factor, too! So, she doesn't have a complete awareness of the other person in the equation yet.
She also relies heavily on what others dictate to her to use as a moral code. If someone on Amethyst tells her not to do X or Y, she will generally try to follow that to its absolute unless she tweaks the definition enough to serve her own purposes. After this game, she has realized that the teams don't have any control over what is going on in the games anymore than they have control over whether or not they will be hurt, but she is still rationalizing it as her desire not to have Amethyst be hurt and trying to pass that pain onto other teams as an acceptable behavior. Her understanding of the world is limiting her morals in that sense. She isn't at the level where she can question the fundamentals of a world, because she's still working on acquiring the basic understanding of how everything works.
She is dimly aware that she had a greater concern for other people on a deeper level in her memories, but she isn't able to process it as more than following orders. She hasn't hit the point where she's willing to run contrary to others to defend her point of few, simply. While she understands that she may have been listening to people who were not telling her to do something that was right, she also sees Amethyst as being a moral right; she changed who she takes orders from, but not herself.
Lambda has not been up to a lot that I can recall...! She remembered being dead before she came to Aather, but she was able to take it more or less in stride, because she had basically already settled on starting over anyway. She was in Mira's game, of course, and while she didn't really care a fig about it, Cal is possibly trying to rope her into a revenge plot of some sort... SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES... But things have been mostly pretty quiet for her lately otherwise.
I am . . . I already have written two apps for Zen, so it isn't a hard push to make to put another together again. I am still fussed about the knight or hero question, but this trip to Spain would make it nigh impossible to make a game which would make for a frustrating span as a knight. He would be perfect as a knight, but I would also welcome not having as much pressure as you get with a knight while trying to roleplay in a completely different timezone. So, he will probably be hero . . . And not going to be placed until February at the earliest.
I cannot, because I already have a third in queue! Ryuuguu Rena from Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. (Yes, I'm gonna play from both Umineko and Higurashi... I'm gonna be That Person...) I'm very, very excited for her, though it will probably still be a little while because of team placement requests.
Oh, right, damn . . . I have a good memory, yes . . .
Coral and Kunzite are the first that come to mind. He could fit on Citrine in a pinch. Zen would also work on Emerald, but I would run into playercest, so . . . Oops?! Beyond that, he might snag on the other teams, or he does not fit the "image" of the team.
I am biased to the visual novels over the anime because they give a lot more insight to the characters and mystery, but the novels admittedly are harder to get into at first and it was the anime I originally fell in love with a few years ago, so I still think the anime works as a standalone! And I definitely, definitely recommend the series in some form. The story can be a little silly at times, but on the whole is pretty intriguing and the main cast is all fabulous and has their own demons they each struggle with. It's basically a horror/suspense/mystery story crossed with themes about friendship as well as sins and forgiveness, so if you think that might be your thing, it's definitely worth a shot, at least! And the whole series can be found uploaded for streaming, so there's that.
The visual novel is pretty easy if you get the download link for it, I think; Ryukishi's novels don't have choices or anything, so it's pretty much just clicking through and reading. But now that you mention it, I haven't read through the whole thing, but the manga was a pretty good adaptation from what I read of it! Though the manga is split up by arc, so just for reference if you do read, you'll want to go in the order of Onikakushi > Watanagashi > Tatarigoroshi > Himatsubushi > Meakashi > Tsumihoroboshi > Minagoroshi > Matsuribayashi.
Yes, but that's like asking if a dog loves treats or cats love being assholes . . . It is a natural state of being for Eureka to just be completely enamored of Amethyst, even when she can see that they aren't absolutely "perfect". Of course, if Solstice had said that he didn't want to be part of the team, then the story would be different, though.
However, Solstice has definitely risen in rank as the person that she takes issue with most! Before she understood that he had issues with others, but she felt that she could work well with him. Now, she sees him as the person with the least understanding and comprehension of how to mesh with other people on the team. I mean, Eureka puts herself above him, because she can correct her own behaviors with some help, at least. Considering that Eureka is still working on her own socialization and is coming to realize how Solstice is, the two of them are bound to clash often until something gives . . .
At the same time, by mentally lowering Solstice, she may be able to get more out of him, too. Eureka has been very careful about how she presents herself and engages with Amethyst, but Solstice already gets a more direct approach out of her. She needles him more about issues and is quicker to confront Solstice whereas she will tend to not discuss or sidestep any issues that she perceives with others on the team, like Eclipse. (He was previously the person that Eureka had most issues with before Solstice was himself, aha~.) So, yeah . . . Eureka does love Solstice, but she has a lot to hash out with him.
WELL. Solstice has definitely gotten a better handle on understanding and talking to Luna that he used to, even if he's still pretty /fishhands about her sometimes. He's never disliked her, though her choices and reasoning in Pandora's game really bugged him and while he's not bringing it up again under the assumption that she's learned from the experience, he's still a little wary of the things she does and says. Just in case.
The thing about Solstice is that he actually cares a lot about people and his friends, with that being Amethyst in this case, but he doesn't express it in a way that anyone on Amethyst really gets. Part of it is that he's bad at expressing it, another part is that he doesn't want to openly express it under normal circumstances, and the third part of it is that being offhand rude and tsun is one way that he shows he feels close enough to you to be that casual. Except that often blows up in his face because in Aather that tends to get translated as just being rude and he keeps legitimately pissing people off when he was just trying to talk to them. :'D
TL;DR Sol is fond of Luna and wants to live up to her expectations of him, but his own personality keeps getting in the way. He has changed over time in efforts to adapt- that's how he got to where he was actually trying to listen to and find out what Luna wanted instead of just telling her things, and he's been making a conscious effort to be more frank with his team- but he still has a ways to go, unless more people learn to translate his tsun.
He also wishes he could make her understand where he's coming from when he talks about morals. He doesn't want to see her developing in any pro-murder ways (if only he knew...)
I'm still fairly canonblind to Eureka 7, tell me about Nirvash?
O-Oh, Nirvash . . . Nirvash was the biggest troll of the series by BONES, and I love ze (?!) a whole lot.
So, when Eureka was discovered, Nirvash was discovered alongside her. (Look, baby picture!) It is a skeletal structure that moves when certain locations are activated with an electrical pulse, much like a brain and a body. The scientists figured out this intricate network of synapses, created a system to move this gigantic "mindless" body, and created a more resilient outer framework. Thus, we get Nirvash as ze is seen throughout the rest of the series.
The trolling is that while Nirvash appears for all intent and purposes to only be a machine, and even Holland dismisses Eureka's preoccupation with talking to ze, Nirvash is actually a thinking, living being. Ze gives a farewell to Eureka and Renton to the last episode which is its one and only speaking line! Simply, ze cannot communicate or interact with humans like how Eureka can due to the form ze exists in. So, Nirvash spends most of ze's time communicating to Eureka or Renton, but ze can also move of its own violation and even physically harms Eureka when it is upset or insistent enough.
So, Nirvash is essentially Eureka's older, wiser sibling/twin, yay! How's Solstice after that game?
HE'S... doing not as bad as he could be. I mean, obviously no one was okay with the axes fell everyone died thing at the beginning, but it was so quick and so unusual what with the disembodiment thing that as far as first deaths go that he felt almost disconnected from it- taking the poison that shrunk him felt more like dying than this, and seeing dead bodies is unsettling but nothing new for him- and he was immediately too busy focusing on everyone else. So he's actually not to bothered by that- at least not right now. It's something that could come back to haunt him in nightmares and if he ever takes the time to think more deeply about it (but he doesn't really want to in this case, of course).
But then everything in the game was a trap and it's like. Okay, so he knew Mira was really shitty and harmful, but she hadn't actually done anything super subversive in her games that he'd seen. Until now, whiiich just means the list of reasons to be wary of her keeps growing. This is technically the third game of hers he's been in- there was the parasite elevator game, corrupted heart games, and now this one. At this point he almost wants to see if he can't ask Guinevere if anything can be done about her, but seeing as nothing has been done up to this point he's not expecting a positive response. Even with the Snow Queen they couldn't confront her directly to stop her, and that's still sort of going on, so.
tl;dr this game wasn't as bad for Sol as her previous two games, but it pissed him off and pressed his powerlessness buttons a bit (including the relatively new ones that came with his shrunken status regain). And he recognizes that it was really shitty for everyone else since Lyra was new and he was the only one out of their team present that had been in her parasite game, which as opposed to SUDDEN DEATH FROM ABOVE was like... teams choosing who dies and then they die horrible gruesome deaths of creatures bursting out of their skin while everyone watches. For Sol his trauma buttons lie more in who's doing the killing, inability to save others, and, well, parasites. thanks mira.
I saw a thread of Luna talking to Jill about questing to forget things, what was that all about?
Wooow, um . . . Jeez, I put this question meme to solidify what ideas she was working through or had crystallized, and that suddenly became one, I guess?!
Without getting into nitty gritty, Eureka's only qualm with the game was what she saw, because it was without question the worst thing that Eureka could imagine right now. I mean, she has built herself around Amethyst, and seeing them all in pieces like that . . . It's different when you see a mauled body of someone that you knew, even for her. Beyond that, she was not too effected by the game, because she was putting off facing what could trigger her . . . But she is willing to accept the results of her actions in order to learn from them?? Eclipse told her that she should follow through on that to see if her logic was on point or if it needs to be further tweaked. The image that she had in her memory, though, it wasn't something pivotal and necessary to that. It was senseless, brutal violence, and Eureka would have actually had insomnia among other psychosomatic effects from it. However, in running over the incident and her own perspective on Amethyst's feelings towards someone being alright or not alright . . . Well, she arrived at the point where she realized that she would be much better and fulfill the "directives" as they were without remembering that small portion of the game.
I'm not sure exactly where it will go, but it is very much like her to have a twist in her logic like that. It may satisfy her in the long run, or she will disagree with her actions at a later time . . . But, for now, she's okay!! And that will help Amethyst be okay!!!
Outside of trauma games and canon, how has Solstice felt helpless in Aather? I'm curious about that issue with him.
A lot of the helplessness/powerlessness stems from trauma games (namely that first trauma game with Mira), though there have been some games that weren't trauma/not heavy trauma that pushed that issue too. Marjory's game, which was just an exploradora though it revealed her and june's story of woo parents murdering and eating their children, was what really first made him have to face and somehow come to terms with the sort of... intangible "roles" of the Personae. That was essentially investigating a crime scene, but because of the nature of their roles, it's like. Did this murder really happen, or was it just a story? How do we know what's real and what's just a part of the curse, it's clearly real to Marjory but how do we bring murderers to justice when they may not even exist?? He had a bit of a mini crisis over that which ultimately ended in his decision to stay in Aather until they'd stopped the Darkness and broken the curse.
So I suppose in general it has to do with the way Aather is structured, and the way it isn't structured. There's obviously no police force or set of written laws here, and while there is still a semblance of order thanks to what structure it does have, it's still rather chaotic because ultimately it's the Personae and their magic that controls everything, which they don't even have complete control over. And while there are Personae who are open to cooperating with the heroes and knights, there are also Personae like Mother and Pandora and Mira. Then there's magic itself, something he has never encountered before and which cannot always be predicted, controlled, or picked apart through logic alone. Magic breaks deduction because "when you have eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Logical deduction is based around the fact that some things are impossible and therefore can't be the truth, but insert magic and suddenly you can't say for certain anymore that anything is impossible. Magic in Aather does tend to have rules that can then be worked with logically, but those are generally discovered through trial and error and on a case by case basis, so you can't be like "X is always true and Y is always false." As a genius of deduction, this is pretty crippling for him because it means one of his strongest skills is often rendered useless, inadequate, or just plain incorrect- combined with games where there is no way to avoid negative consequences even through inaction because magic, it's a kind of powerlessness he never felt before Aather. He's used to being able to get out of even the most dire of situations with minimal losses just by being clever, even if it means doing something dumb and risky- but in Aather there are times when there just is no miraculous third option that saves everyone.
I COULD PROBABLY TL;DR MORE IF I THOUGHT REALLY HARD ABOUT IT but that's probably enough for now. What are Luna's thoughts on Sol's change (and his keeping it a secret/talking about it once it happened), did her view of him change at all?
Her view of him changed in that she thought much less of him afterwards! What I wrote before reflects how she feels about him with all of that included . . . Regarding how it all went down and those specifics? Ehhh, she doesn't really think of him as less or more able because of his size, because she is used to being handled as a "child" while still appearing at a certain age. How people are treated is not associated with age but with how they act for her. Her kids are naturally clingy and want attention, so they get attention! Adults don't jump on her for hugs or want to play games, so she doesn't do those things with them. Eureka is highly reflective of her own environment that way.
As far as keeping a secret goes, she will stand by the fact that he lied to Amethyst, but she's done it too! So, she won't continue to stick him for it . . . Still, he was inconsiderate of Amethyst which was the biggest issue, and she will always think of him as prone to do something like that because he doesn't learn. Solstice is really self-satisfying to her, because he talked about what happened when she didn't want to hear any of it. He doesn't like talking about himself, and she wasn't asking questions, but he kept going on because he thought that would make it better??? But it didn't?? And then he could have made it better by giving her information that she really needed to make talking with him later on easier, buuut . . . He didn't!! . . . So, whatever, Solstice, you're dumb forever, and Eureka is just going to keep thinking that.
Sol hasn't had any romance (that he remembers yet) cries. The only sort of exceptions would be secretly dokidoki-ing at Ran a lot in his memories (and her dokidoki-ing about him thinking he's not there oops) and accidentally getting drawn into Kira's love spell when the finger trap that helped suppress it got stolen.
Kiiind of??? I think she was going to ask Eclipse out on a date before he gently told her that it wouldn't quite work with them. Which she promptly shrugged off and said she would go on a "something like a date" with someone else!! Eureka spends a lot of time with Akashi and likes him in the way where she is just five and has a "best friend" that she spends a lot of time with. It isn't even conceptualized like that for her, but she feels more comfortable with him and such. Eventually, she might breech the "like" or "love" divide, but someone else will have to bring it up, because she's just making up her own rules a lot of the time ..........
spoil me on your personae's ish ... like i remember the story, but how do you want to play her? talk about as much as you want to, and omitting things is okayyy
I don't have a lot to keep secret about her, at least not at the moment, she's fairly open! Also it's my first time playing an NPC aaaaaaaa. I didn't stray too far from the story, although I did a little looking around at interpretations when I was thinking of apping her. It seems like the most common are that the tree and boy's relationship was either mother and child, friends, or romantic. I sorta mashed a bit of all those together, but also with my own interpretation which is that the tree is something like a child herself. After all, all she wants is to play with someone. But she's also motherly and a... very giving friend. I'd paste some of her affinities here if I weren't typing this from my phone, but her domain is unconditional love, with emphasis on the unconditional. Some of her affinities are platonic love, patience, childhood nostalgia, self-sacrifice for others, and forests. Her focus is more on the emotional side of love, regardless of the type of love (romantic/familial/friend etc). I expect that she could reach a point where she runs out of power because she's given too much away, which without any outside influence she wouldn't really do anything about; the only thing she asks of anyone is to spend time with her and play with her and be happy. So I hope that knights and heroes will influence her and see where that goes. I also imagine her games will be simple fun things like some forms of apple picking and hide and seek.
I think her actual tree body will be in her pocket realm. She appears as the girl in my icons to communicate and move, but that form can't be touched. She also has a nostalgic scent/presence, like apples and forest kind of nostalgic.
Essentially she'll be kind and gentle and giving, but also playful and nostalgic, and her main flaws would be her inability to keep anything for herself and lack of comprehension of larger issues because all she wants is for people to Be Happy and her solution to that is to give things. I imagine I'll figure more stuff out once I actually get the chance to play her.
I don't think I know much about Persephone, tell me stuff about her?
The same as they were which is still strange and weird . . .
Somehow, Breeze is like a necessary evil for Eureka. She is mentally combative to anything that Breeze presents to her, dislikes how Breeze views and works within the world, and refuses to accept whatever she says without checking it against someone else. On the flip side, Breeze has never actually been wrong. She also introduces ideas that Eureka starts to process then struggles with later on, so she gives her a safe space to try to fit the concept into her worldview before having it challenged. If she didn't have these sort of crash courses from Breeze, she would likely be worse off after the fact.
Of course, Eureka hasn't realized any of this! She remains uncomfortable with Breeze in her own way, while agreeing and going along with Breeze to make everything easier for herself. It is a pattern that work well for her, though she hasn't invested enough to actually dig in with Breeze for fear of finding more awful truths. It sort of caps the relationship on Eureka's end, because she can't let her curiosity wander.
When Breeze first started approaching Eureka she did it mainly because they looked to be around the same age, and she was trying to make friends. For a while she didn't think Eureka liked her, so she tried not to bother her, but Eureka did keep approaching her, so at this point she feels like they're... okay? She knows she's never going to be awesome friends with Eureka and she doesn't have a problem with that, and she doesn't really think Eureka is capable of having real friends anyway. But she doesn't want Eureka to dislike her. Also she likes explaining things to Eureka. It makes her feel important. (So everything that happened in the cry wolf game was kind of humiliating, but... water off a duck's back!!1)
Ummm, well . . . Yes . . . Haruki and Eureka click so well, sob. I am not going to be able to put this into proper words, so I am giving up nowww. Haruki is truly near and dear to Eureka, because while Eclipse was who she imprinted onto first and will always remain special for that, Haruki is where she has always felt comfortable. He has been accepting and encouraging of her in ways that she can perceive, so she is always more open to laying out all of her thoughts and piecing them together with him. He is the puzzle partner! And while they have had minor clashes, like over Nirvash and free will and her right to be heard, it was always an issue where Eureka had enough of a stake in it to bite back, so to speak. Huff, the communication between them is really fluid and easy, so she always feels better about talking to him then because he gets it without her having to gesticulate randomly with her words and go through a long process of how to arrange them in order to be understood.
I am also probably not going to be able to put this into proper words, but I can try gosh darnit. He can mostly parse how she puts together her thoughts and at times he is just making guesses and assumptions as to her thought process, but back at the very beginning when she first arrived and he figured out that she was a very, very blank slate he wanted to make sure that she could understand! He would struggle with it a lot more if she wasn’t so…herself? But they mesh very well so he has a much easier time of it. There have been a lot of times where he’s been tempted to guide her into a certain way of thinking but for the most part he has been good at catching himself and adding in a qualifier of “this is how I think but it is not how you have to think.” I think…for the most part he has been good about not imposing his will upon her…he just vents at Eclipse instead \o/ It helps that he doesn’t think of her as a child; a child could be easily influenced and swayed but she has enough awareness of her surroundings that he knows he couldn’t impose anything on her without it backfiring as she gets memories back. And he knows that they have a lot of similarities in how they want to approach games except he has more feelings and emotional hangups about things, so he knows she will be there to remind him to Get Things Done. It is just super easy for him and every time she does things he’s just I’M SO PROUD OF YOU, GOOD GIRL.
Hmmm do you have any plans for your characters? THIS INCLUDES PERSONAE
Lyra, Lyra . . . She is moving from being a concept to being a person for Eureka now. See, Cirrus came to Amethyst with enough bravado that Eureka didn't have to go through a period of teaching her, like she has had with Lyra. It is a whole different game with Lyra, and Eureka has been working well with going through the process. It has helped her realize what issues she would like there to be brought up with Amethyst and established some more of her ideas that weren't as solid or weren't considered worth discussion. So, kouhai is helping senpai, yes!! At the same time, Eureka still isn't sure who Lyra is, because she takes a long time to soak in all that information and get a sense of how an individual person behaves. So, given such a short time, Eureka hasn't been given enough to reach a definite conclusion about her. It's at the point where if Eureka was asked to describe Lyra, she would default to "nice" which is a broad term that she applies to all of Amethyst in general. If you are on Amethyst, you are nice to Eureka, okay.
So, yes, she doesn't have a fixed idea, but she will get there. There isn't a bad impression, and Lyra has been helpful on her own, too. Reverse!!
I feel like asking for a relationship between these two is trolling . . . Vanilla is inoffensive to Eureka?! She doesn't mind him and is comfortable being around him, but she isn't particularly partial to him, either. If Eureka had more negative CR, I feel like she would have a larger response to Vanilla than she does. But she has such a skewed scale which is biased to Amethyst to the point where people outside of her team don't matter as much right now. Still, there is something to be said about a casual and comfortable relationship with someone like Eureka . . .
I am amused that Eureka understands why Eclipse would want time away from Amethyst after an intense game now . . . She is not going to make eye contact with the rest of Amethyst besides Jill and the newest for awhile now, because that game sure was something. /horror track plays . . .
That aside, Eureka is feeling better about testing the waters with Eclipse, but she is still very hesitant to run too contrary to him. Even when she disagrees with him, she is very particular about how she approaches it, if she does at all. With the issues that she did bring up, she had been stewing on them for awhile, but she only brought them up when she saw it was a concern from Lyra. She still checked her language, pushing Eclipse to give her something that she could use in turn, rather than expressing her thoughts openly. (Hilariously, she has tried to do this with Solstice, and he is always sharp about catching her trying to get cues, r-rofl.) She still isn't sure how to broach the issue of change with him, because she knows Eclipse is very focused on the past and what was, not what is.
Over the past few games, from Eclipse's point of view, Luna's really come into her own in her take-charge tactical way. He's starting to see her as more of an equal and less of a little sister figure, especially because she's generally doing a better job covering up some of her ongoing confusions or frustrations than she used to. I think he probably perceives her as having come farther than she maybe has, and he's very blind to a lot of her concerns... which is unfortunate, as he's becoming more flexible lately and would be much more supportive of her pursuing her own path & not just assimilating. The misunderstandings just kind of pile up...
Also, because he knows Luna worries when he vanishes off by himself... he's NOT going to do that this time, even if it might do him some good, and will in fact probably stick fairly close to her as much as he can.
With the Mulan game, she wanted Haruki with her, because he would condone any murder or mayhem that could have risen while Eclipse would have avoided that conflict with either of them. Also, she has a lot of confidence in Night's ability to protect, so she figured either Night or Haruki would be the powerhouse that would be needed for Lyra.
Uhh, in the most recent game, Eureka was planning on having Lyra with her, and letting Haruki have out with Eclipse . . . Because she wanted to let Haruki present his points to Eclipse rather than having Eureka awkwardly do so. In short, she is very highly aware of the various relationships that are pushing and pulling around Amethyst, and she tries her best to work with them.
Hilariously, she may tell him to disappear, because she was listening to his conversation with Cass when it was on the same floor . . . And she was very approving of Cass taking care of him. She doesn't know what to do with people, that's what Jill and everyone else is for. \o/ Eureka just didn't want him sulking on the roof, not talking or being near her, because she behaved wrong again.
... at some point I should try to coherently put together Eclipse's
evolving feelings on the usage of violence. One of the really interesting
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arcs - people change very quickly when they suddenly get memories
reinforcing the way they were going anyway. TL;DR Eclipse isn't quite as
anti-violence as he used to loudly proclaim, but he hasn't mentioned it to
anyone yet because he's not comfortable with feeling that way.
You should. But Eureka believes very much that if someone is going to die in a trauma game, then it should be everyone other than Amethyst . . . And whoever Haruki says is important if it is possible. She is thorough not excessive, however.
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Also, unlike almost everyone else in Aather, she takes a lot of solace in the fact that he isn't Amethyst. She really works hard to fit in with Amethyst and do her best with them, but she doesn't feel that pressure with Akashi. He isn't team, so she doesn't have to try as hard if she doesn't want to!! So, yeah, there's just a very strange flavor of comfort that she takes from him.
Back at youuu . . .
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Bbbbut with Eureka he doesn't feel that kind of immense pressure. He's less hesitant and less withdrawn with her because he doesn't feel the stress of having to make The Right Choice.
Beyond that Eureka isn't rowdy. She's quiet but not mute. She's smart but not in a way that makes him feel like he needs to challenge her. He has a really legitimate crush on her and -- he's fairly sure their expectations of what a date are . . . are different and he's a little unsure if he should go with his view or try to guess for hers but he would really like to do the best. . . have the best date with her basically.
It's really dumb and sugary.
How are Eureka and Amethyst doing?
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On the flipside, as she gets more into her own, she gets highly resistant to some of the behaviors that she sees in Amethyst. She subverts them, pushes against them, if she can do so without rocking the boat too much. It's less aggression and more investment in wanting the best for people that are important to her in her own somewhat flawed and clumsy way. She is starting to learn what behaviors she wants to encourage in new kids, like remembering everyone else and knowing that someone was before you as a bad thing! I knew Amethyst would fit well for her, but it really is such a good team for Eureka, sssob . . .
I've seen Akashi doing the memory poking with canonmates. How does he feel about them in Aather? About himself?
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Hhhhheeee is irritated that his canonmates won't tell him things though. And it's extra irritating because he remembered his second personality taking over before he gained back the skill so it was just a weird disjoint of WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON and everyone played footsie but no real outcome with talking about it.
Nnnoowww he's less irritated and more just :') Oh. :') thanks guys. Because . . . like. We haven't gotten any news on how the 2 Akashis interact or think about each other and I kind of doubt we ever will?? But in Aather the second Akashi doesn't give him the same kind of reassurance and comfort as it did back home bc the situation is different so it's just. . . exasperating. . .
He feels exasperated and annoyed at himself for not being strong enough for certain things or better at everything and not being THE BEST AND MOST ABSOLUTE and a little lost because of that but yeah. Akashi. What are you gonna do.
What are Eureka's plans for when she wins?
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Since I read all of Basuke, cry . . . Talk to me about this split thing. Multiple personalities, fragmentation? What's your take?
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She also relies heavily on what others dictate to her to use as a moral code. If someone on Amethyst tells her not to do X or Y, she will generally try to follow that to its absolute unless she tweaks the definition enough to serve her own purposes. After this game, she has realized that the teams don't have any control over what is going on in the games anymore than they have control over whether or not they will be hurt, but she is still rationalizing it as her desire not to have Amethyst be hurt and trying to pass that pain onto other teams as an acceptable behavior. Her understanding of the world is limiting her morals in that sense. She isn't at the level where she can question the fundamentals of a world, because she's still working on acquiring the basic understanding of how everything works.
She is dimly aware that she had a greater concern for other people on a deeper level in her memories, but she isn't able to process it as more than following orders. She hasn't hit the point where she's willing to run contrary to others to defend her point of few, simply. While she understands that she may have been listening to people who were not telling her to do something that was right, she also sees Amethyst as being a moral right; she changed who she takes orders from, but not herself.
Latest happening with Lambda~~?
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So, are you apping this coming round?
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What about you?
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Any team placement thoughts for Zen?
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Coral and Kunzite are the first that come to mind. He could fit on Citrine in a pinch. Zen would also work on Emerald, but I would run into playercest, so . . . Oops?! Beyond that, he might snag on the other teams, or he does not fit the "image" of the team.
Should I watch the Higurashi anime . . . ?
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However, Solstice has definitely risen in rank as the person that she takes issue with most! Before she understood that he had issues with others, but she felt that she could work well with him. Now, she sees him as the person with the least understanding and comprehension of how to mesh with other people on the team. I mean, Eureka puts herself above him, because she can correct her own behaviors with some help, at least. Considering that Eureka is still working on her own socialization and is coming to realize how Solstice is, the two of them are bound to clash often until something gives . . .
At the same time, by mentally lowering Solstice, she may be able to get more out of him, too. Eureka has been very careful about how she presents herself and engages with Amethyst, but Solstice already gets a more direct approach out of her. She needles him more about issues and is quicker to confront Solstice whereas she will tend to not discuss or sidestep any issues that she perceives with others on the team, like Eclipse. (He was previously the person that Eureka had most issues with before Solstice was himself, aha~.) So, yeah . . . Eureka does love Solstice, but she has a lot to hash out with him.
Rrreverse.
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The thing about Solstice is that he actually cares a lot about people and his friends, with that being Amethyst in this case, but he doesn't express it in a way that anyone on Amethyst really gets. Part of it is that he's bad at expressing it, another part is that he doesn't want to openly express it under normal circumstances, and the third part of it is that being offhand rude and tsun is one way that he shows he feels close enough to you to be that casual. Except that often blows up in his face because in Aather that tends to get translated as just being rude and he keeps legitimately pissing people off when he was just trying to talk to them. :'D
TL;DR Sol is fond of Luna and wants to live up to her expectations of him, but his own personality keeps getting in the way. He has changed over time in efforts to adapt- that's how he got to where he was actually trying to listen to and find out what Luna wanted instead of just telling her things, and he's been making a conscious effort to be more frank with his team- but he still has a ways to go, unless more people learn to translate his tsun.
He also wishes he could make her understand where he's coming from when he talks about morals. He doesn't want to see her developing in any pro-murder ways (if only he knew...)
I'm still fairly canonblind to Eureka 7, tell me about Nirvash?
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So, when Eureka was discovered, Nirvash was discovered alongside her. (Look, baby picture!) It is a skeletal structure that moves when certain locations are activated with an electrical pulse, much like a brain and a body. The scientists figured out this intricate network of synapses, created a system to move this gigantic "mindless" body, and created a more resilient outer framework. Thus, we get Nirvash as ze is seen throughout the rest of the series.
The trolling is that while Nirvash appears for all intent and purposes to only be a machine, and even Holland dismisses Eureka's preoccupation with talking to ze, Nirvash is actually a thinking, living being. Ze gives a farewell to Eureka and Renton to the last episode which is its one and only speaking line! Simply, ze cannot communicate or interact with humans like how Eureka can due to the form ze exists in. So, Nirvash spends most of ze's time communicating to Eureka or Renton, but ze can also move of its own violation and even physically harms Eureka when it is upset or insistent enough.
So, Nirvash is essentially Eureka's older, wiser sibling/twin, yay! How's Solstice after that game?
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But then everything in the game was a trap and it's like. Okay, so he knew Mira was really shitty and harmful, but she hadn't actually done anything super subversive in her games that he'd seen. Until now, whiiich just means the list of reasons to be wary of her keeps growing. This is technically the third game of hers he's been in- there was the parasite elevator game, corrupted heart games, and now this one. At this point he almost wants to see if he can't ask Guinevere if anything can be done about her, but seeing as nothing has been done up to this point he's not expecting a positive response. Even with the Snow Queen they couldn't confront her directly to stop her, and that's still sort of going on, so.
tl;dr this game wasn't as bad for Sol as her previous two games, but it pissed him off and pressed his powerlessness buttons a bit (including the relatively new ones that came with his shrunken status regain). And he recognizes that it was really shitty for everyone else since Lyra was new and he was the only one out of their team present that had been in her parasite game, which as opposed to SUDDEN DEATH FROM ABOVE was like... teams choosing who dies and then they die horrible gruesome deaths of creatures bursting out of their skin while everyone watches. For Sol his trauma buttons lie more in who's doing the killing, inability to save others, and, well, parasites. thanks mira.
I saw a thread of Luna talking to Jill about questing to forget things, what was that all about?
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Without getting into nitty gritty, Eureka's only qualm with the game was what she saw, because it was without question the worst thing that Eureka could imagine right now. I mean, she has built herself around Amethyst, and seeing them all in pieces like that . . . It's different when you see a mauled body of someone that you knew, even for her. Beyond that, she was not too effected by the game, because she was putting off facing what could trigger her . . . But she is willing to accept the results of her actions in order to learn from them?? Eclipse told her that she should follow through on that to see if her logic was on point or if it needs to be further tweaked. The image that she had in her memory, though, it wasn't something pivotal and necessary to that. It was senseless, brutal violence, and Eureka would have actually had insomnia among other psychosomatic effects from it. However, in running over the incident and her own perspective on Amethyst's feelings towards someone being alright or not alright . . . Well, she arrived at the point where she realized that she would be much better and fulfill the "directives" as they were without remembering that small portion of the game.
I'm not sure exactly where it will go, but it is very much like her to have a twist in her logic like that. It may satisfy her in the long run, or she will disagree with her actions at a later time . . . But, for now, she's okay!! And that will help Amethyst be okay!!!
Outside of trauma games and canon, how has Solstice felt helpless in Aather? I'm curious about that issue with him.
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So I suppose in general it has to do with the way Aather is structured, and the way it isn't structured. There's obviously no police force or set of written laws here, and while there is still a semblance of order thanks to what structure it does have, it's still rather chaotic because ultimately it's the Personae and their magic that controls everything, which they don't even have complete control over. And while there are Personae who are open to cooperating with the heroes and knights, there are also Personae like Mother and Pandora and Mira. Then there's magic itself, something he has never encountered before and which cannot always be predicted, controlled, or picked apart through logic alone. Magic breaks deduction because "when you have eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Logical deduction is based around the fact that some things are impossible and therefore can't be the truth, but insert magic and suddenly you can't say for certain anymore that anything is impossible. Magic in Aather does tend to have rules that can then be worked with logically, but those are generally discovered through trial and error and on a case by case basis, so you can't be like "X is always true and Y is always false." As a genius of deduction, this is pretty crippling for him because it means one of his strongest skills is often rendered useless, inadequate, or just plain incorrect- combined with games where there is no way to avoid negative consequences even through inaction because magic, it's a kind of powerlessness he never felt before Aather. He's used to being able to get out of even the most dire of situations with minimal losses just by being clever, even if it means doing something dumb and risky- but in Aather there are times when there just is no miraculous third option that saves everyone.
I COULD PROBABLY TL;DR MORE IF I THOUGHT REALLY HARD ABOUT IT but that's probably enough for now. What are Luna's thoughts on Sol's change (and his keeping it a secret/talking about it once it happened), did her view of him change at all?
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As far as keeping a secret goes, she will stand by the fact that he lied to Amethyst, but she's done it too! So, she won't continue to stick him for it . . . Still, he was inconsiderate of Amethyst which was the biggest issue, and she will always think of him as prone to do something like that because he doesn't learn. Solstice is really self-satisfying to her, because he talked about what happened when she didn't want to hear any of it. He doesn't like talking about himself, and she wasn't asking questions, but he kept going on because he thought that would make it better??? But it didn't?? And then he could have made it better by giving her information that she really needed to make talking with him later on easier, buuut . . . He didn't!! . . . So, whatever, Solstice, you're dumb forever, and Eureka is just going to keep thinking that.
Any romance that was going down Solstice???
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Sol hasn't had any romance (that he remembers yet) cries. The only sort of exceptions would be secretly dokidoki-ing at Ran a lot in his memories (and her dokidoki-ing about him thinking he's not there oops) and accidentally getting drawn into Kira's love spell when the finger trap that helped suppress it got stolen.
does luna even romance...??
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spoil me on your personae's ish ... like i remember the story, but how do you want to play her? talk about as much as you want to, and omitting things is okayyy
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I think her actual tree body will be in her pocket realm. She appears as the girl in my icons to communicate and move, but that form can't be touched. She also has a nostalgic scent/presence, like apples and forest kind of nostalgic.
Essentially she'll be kind and gentle and giving, but also playful and nostalgic, and her main flaws would be her inability to keep anything for herself and lack of comprehension of larger issues because all she wants is for people to Be Happy and her solution to that is to give things. I imagine I'll figure more stuff out once I actually get the chance to play her.
I don't think I know much about Persephone, tell me stuff about her?
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Somehow, Breeze is like a necessary evil for Eureka. She is mentally combative to anything that Breeze presents to her, dislikes how Breeze views and works within the world, and refuses to accept whatever she says without checking it against someone else. On the flip side, Breeze has never actually been wrong. She also introduces ideas that Eureka starts to process then struggles with later on, so she gives her a safe space to try to fit the concept into her worldview before having it challenged. If she didn't have these sort of crash courses from Breeze, she would likely be worse off after the fact.
Of course, Eureka hasn't realized any of this! She remains uncomfortable with Breeze in her own way, while agreeing and going along with Breeze to make everything easier for herself. It is a pattern that work well for her, though she hasn't invested enough to actually dig in with Breeze for fear of finding more awful truths. It sort of caps the relationship on Eureka's end, because she can't let her curiosity wander.
Reverse???
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When Breeze first started approaching Eureka she did it mainly because they looked to be around the same age, and she was trying to make friends. For a while she didn't think Eureka liked her, so she tried not to bother her, but Eureka did keep approaching her, so at this point she feels like they're... okay? She knows she's never going to be awesome friends with Eureka and she doesn't have a problem with that, and she doesn't really think Eureka is capable of having real friends anyway. But she doesn't want Eureka to dislike her. Also she likes explaining things to Eureka. It makes her feel important. (So everything that happened in the cry wolf game was kind of humiliating, but... water off a duck's back!!1)
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Ummm, well . . . Yes . . . Haruki and Eureka click so well, sob. I am not going to be able to put this into proper words, so I am giving up nowww. Haruki is truly near and dear to Eureka, because while Eclipse was who she imprinted onto first and will always remain special for that, Haruki is where she has always felt comfortable. He has been accepting and encouraging of her in ways that she can perceive, so she is always more open to laying out all of her thoughts and piecing them together with him. He is the puzzle partner! And while they have had minor clashes, like over Nirvash and free will and her right to be heard, it was always an issue where Eureka had enough of a stake in it to bite back, so to speak. Huff, the communication between them is really fluid and easy, so she always feels better about talking to him then because he gets it without her having to gesticulate randomly with her words and go through a long process of how to arrange them in order to be understood.
. . . I give up. Haruki, Haruki, Haruki. Reverse.
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I am also probably not going to be able to put this into proper words, but I can try gosh darnit. He can mostly parse how she puts together her thoughts and at times he is just making guesses and assumptions as to her thought process, but back at the very beginning when she first arrived and he figured out that she was a very, very blank slate he wanted to make sure that she could understand! He would struggle with it a lot more if she wasn’t so…herself? But they mesh very well so he has a much easier time of it. There have been a lot of times where he’s been tempted to guide her into a certain way of thinking but for the most part he has been good at catching himself and adding in a qualifier of “this is how I think but it is not how you have to think.” I think…for the most part he has been good about not imposing his will upon her…he just vents at Eclipse instead \o/ It helps that he doesn’t think of her as a child; a child could be easily influenced and swayed but she has enough awareness of her surroundings that he knows he couldn’t impose anything on her without it backfiring as she gets memories back. And he knows that they have a lot of similarities in how they want to approach games except he has more feelings and emotional hangups about things, so he knows she will be there to remind him to Get Things Done. It is just super easy for him and every time she does things he’s just I’M SO PROUD OF YOU, GOOD GIRL.
Hmmm do you have any plans for your characters? THIS INCLUDES PERSONAE
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So, yes, she doesn't have a fixed idea, but she will get there. There isn't a bad impression, and Lyra has been helpful on her own, too. Reverse!!
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R-Reverse, I'm sorry . . .
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That aside, Eureka is feeling better about testing the waters with Eclipse, but she is still very hesitant to run too contrary to him. Even when she disagrees with him, she is very particular about how she approaches it, if she does at all. With the issues that she did bring up, she had been stewing on them for awhile, but she only brought them up when she saw it was a concern from Lyra. She still checked her language, pushing Eclipse to give her something that she could use in turn, rather than expressing her thoughts openly. (Hilariously, she has tried to do this with Solstice, and he is always sharp about catching her trying to get cues, r-rofl.) She still isn't sure how to broach the issue of change with him, because she knows Eclipse is very focused on the past and what was, not what is.
Gosh, reverse, so I can have talking points . . .
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Also, because he knows Luna worries when he vanishes off by himself... he's NOT going to do that this time, even if it might do him some good, and will in fact probably stick fairly close to her as much as he can.
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Uhh, in the most recent game, Eureka was planning on having Lyra with her, and letting Haruki have out with Eclipse . . . Because she wanted to let Haruki present his points to Eclipse rather than having Eureka awkwardly do so. In short, she is very highly aware of the various relationships that are pushing and pulling around Amethyst, and she tries her best to work with them.
Hilariously, she may tell him to disappear, because she was listening to his conversation with Cass when it was on the same floor . . . And she was very approving of Cass taking care of him. She doesn't know what to do with people, that's what Jill and everyone else is for. \o/ Eureka just didn't want him sulking on the roof, not talking or being near her, because she behaved wrong again.
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... at some point I should try to coherently put together Eclipse's evolving feelings on the usage of violence. One of the really interesting things about amnesia games is how they can accelerate various character arcs - people change very quickly when they suddenly get memories reinforcing the way they were going anyway. TL;DR Eclipse isn't quite as anti-violence as he used to loudly proclaim, but he hasn't mentioned it to anyone yet because he's not comfortable with feeling that way.
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I'm not yet sure how having died is going to effect his views on that, but it's at least possible that he'll wind up in perfect agreement with her.